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Shimla: The Himachal Pradesh University yet again became a battleground as ABVP and SFI activists indulged in free-for-all stone pelting at each other with several of them getting injured. Violence in the campus is nothing new, but once again the university authorities and police put the state to shame by giving an impression that they are not free from the influence of their political bosses, be it the student leaders.
It is astonishing that when the police had admitted that a scuffle took place between two organizations, students owing allegiance to only one organization, i.e the SFI, were arrested, the others allowed to move scoot free. The situation is no different than few months back when even some ministers had visited AVBP activists in hospital, injured during a clash.
So while, SFI leaders have been charged under various non-bailable sections of the IPC including Section 307 i.e. attempt to murder, not even a single arrest has been made from the ABVP camp. There can of course be exceptions, but at HPU it is almost a rule that whenever there is violence in the campus, students associated with the ruling party, be it BJP or the Congress, will emerge harmless.
This was proven beyond doubt when one police officer, the then incumbent station house officer of Boileauganj police station, had raided the hostels and had recovered huge cache of arms including swords and khukris allegedly from rooms occupied by ABVP activists. Instead of being rewarded, he was transferred.
It appears that the government and the university authorities are either not at all serious about running the state’s premier educational institute or just want to keep it alive in a crippled state to meet their own political ends. The university’s efforts to jettison Wilson committee recommendations indicate just this. For the time being, political stakes appear to be too high to talk about running of the university in an academic atmosphere and therefore there’s little hope that Summerhill would not hear gun shots again.
The Article does not look like a news… It looks like one fraction of Students have been prejudiced .. Hence the author decided to write this piece. Anyway, I am not a person who is in favour of student politics at least in colleges. In Universities we can have, but there should be Age limit (Yes sir, I am talking upper age limit), Merit (minimum say 60%) & Attendance records ( minimum 65%) should be like mandatory conditions. I know there are people who say that the student politics is integral part of colleges/universties. So point to ponder…Have we seen and IIT or NIT have such (where political parties are involved & so much money & tiem goung in election activities) elected student councils.. Are they not doing better then our universtities ?? Think
"Mr writer" This is a Good piece to justify your stand against the ABVP. This report is purely a piece of news written with only one angle… Dear moderators it should have been stated as the "View from the Left"
And please dont misguide the readers on the issue like Wilson policy. First study the Wilson policy and thereafter start mixing your view to justify the stand against the ruling parties.
Do you know:
1. Wilson policy will favour the recruitment of teachers from outside the Himachal as the students studying in HPU, generally, dont get the percentage like 80 % or obove. How will you ensure the rights of the Himachali researchers where they will work.
2. Wilson policy gives 3 marks for the person having olympic medals. Tell me how many of Himachali play Olympic and how many research scholar play olympics.
There are many other points which you can analyse after giving the policy the due time..
And one more thing…. SFI is using the Wilson policy just as a weapon to show resentment against the government. It was the same SFI which had opposed the policy when Wilson in the previous Congress government had framed the policy.
Dear Commrade (Writer), you people are just misguiding the readers and for God's sake please try to update your knowledge over the students issue.
Mr. Rajesh, do you know about the progressive student movement?
The progressive student movement led by SFI in himachal has fought so many historical movement on student demands. Thats why today we proudly claim that HPU is the second univ after JNU which has lowest fee structure. And to protect availability of cheap education within state, the activists of SFI has always been fought regularly.
The latest attack on SFI leadership by ABVP Goons is purely on the back of State Government who wants to implement its saffron agenda in HPU campus either by recruiting its cadre in teaching as well as in non teaching staff.
SFI has always been opposed the wrong policies of state govt.,thats why presently SFI has become the main enemy of BJP led state govt.
Not much before, in order to repress SFI in HP univ campus its ftwo key leaders were expelled by univ authority under the pressure of ABVP and State Govt. and after that so many bruttle attacks were organised by ABVP on SFI activists. In the period of 30 years, SFI supported SCA has successfully achieve so many milestones that Student knows better who is right and who is wrong.
It is because of Progressive student movement that a student who is from a farmer and labourer family can continue his/her study in hpu campus. Thanks SFI.
Dear Friend,
I am sorry to see that my learned friend is so much illiterate about role of politics in education system. Our whole life is directly or indirectly effected by ploitics, but here it will be good if i can talk about education. My dear friend should know the fact that every aspect of education is controlled by politics from funding to curriculum. It is our politicians who decide what we have to study, for that what we have to pay etc. So why it is not appropriate that student should himself decide what they have to study and at what cost. My friend talked about upper age limit, why ???? Should student issues comes with age. Merit is good but their should be an equal scale for that also throughout the country. Ours is diverse country with hundred of universities and with their own way of marking. Then how the criterion of 60 % could be followed ??? Isnt it will be injustice. Regarding my friend question of IITs and NITs doing well, thats highly appreciable, but have my friend ever thought reason for that. The reason is not that we are short of trained minds in universities , the most welcome example is of JNU ( Though a central university with lots of funding from Government), the main reason is funding to the universities, what is funding for HPU.??? An average IIT gets is some what 200 crore Rs PA. Without funding you cant claim to be at best, and who release these fundings???. Regarding elected student unions role, go to world class universities as JNU etc and compare with other universities where student union are not allowed. For knowledge of my dear frien there exists student unions in IITs also generally called as SAC. The election for same is conducted every year , but it is unfortunate that these student unions in IITs are not democratic and also has limited powers which has been done by well known nexus of administrators and politicians so that they can carry out their un wanted activities freely without any resistance.
IISc ( Indian Institute of Sciences ) the premier institute of science in India, every year elections are conducted there for student union and student union is functional round the year, still it is best in terms of research. Dear Friends in our university it is not student politics that is harming, but it is direct interference of sucessive state governments particularly bhagwa bregade so called BJP who wants their peoples to get entry in to university without any academic qualification proposed for that. There are many examples of this when BJP has managed to get its peoples entered in to Universities without any eligibility qualification, at that time where is the merit? Is merit meant only for poor students or who cant pay huge money to politicians to secure admissions or whose relative is not a politicians?
Still the Himachal Pradesh University has glorius history of producing eminent scholars, scientists etc who were also active political leader in university and fought for right of student community along with maintaining high standards in their education also.
My Dear Friend, As I understand from your and your fellow red colour friends that if someone does not align to your view then you attack vocally ..atleast in this fourm ..may be outside differently. Well calling people illitrate is Nice when you have done something so commendable that your are perceived to be an icon. Rest talking about NIT and IIT, I think I know these pillars of education also, as I am an Alumni. So please do not comapre IIT SAC to your panel…. not comparable. You also touched on funding.. I am not sure about HPU.. But my NIT at times had lesser funds than even private engineering colleges… Also, fee in NIT is also very less when compared with other engineering colleges; And yes we had no SFI for that nor any other political outfit. I hope you get the point.
Dear Friend,
I am sorry to see your frustration. You are alumini that is welcome you deserve my heartiest congratulations for that. But what about You are talking about fee
structure, Do you know how much funding the IITS and NITs are getting
from MHRD, the university like ours is not even getting 10 percent of that.
Ya i fully agree that IIT SAc is not comparable to Ours as it is not
democratic as ours as it has become a play thing in hands of
administration. Education is not merely passing degrees, education
is overall development of person from socio economic, political, etc
aspects that is the right education. You are talking about funding of your NIIT and compared it with private engineering colleges, is it comparable in any
way ? CAn you compare funding of NIIT with any state university like HPU no at all. I am sorry to say that you are talking these rubbish things without any forma
knowledge or data . I agree you dont have SFI in NIIT, that why there is
difference between you and SFI student, If you ought to be , You cant
stand in front of SFI student for a minute in any aspect, if dont agree
you can try??? Dear friend dont take me to be harsh, you should get
your thinking changed and develop a progressive bent of mind, Then you will be a true alumini, otherwise every pass out becomes a alumini of what type you
better know.
Dear Friend ,
Dear Friend,
I am sorry to see your frustration. You are alumni that is welcome you deserve my heartiest congratulations for that. But what about You are talking about fee
structure, Do you know how much funding the IITS and NITs are getting
from MHRD, the university like ours is not even getting 10 percent of that.
Ya i fully agree that IIT SAc is not comparable to Ours as it is not
democratic as ours as it has become a play thing in hands of
administration. Education is not merely passing degrees, education
is overall development of person from socio economic, political, etc
aspects that is the right education. You are talking about funding of your NIIT and compared it with private engineering colleges, is it comparable in any
way ? CAn you compare funding of NIIT with any state university like HPU no at all. I am sorry to say that you are talking these rubbish things without any formal
knowledge or data . I agree you dont have SFI in NIT, that why there is
difference between you and SFI student, If you ought to be , You cant
stand in front of SFI student for a minute in any aspect, if dont agree
you can try??? Dear friend dont take me to be harsh, you should get
your thinking changed and develop a progressive bent of mind, Then
you will be a true alumini, otherwise every pass out becomes a
alumni of what type you better know.
I think in my previous post I have answered all the aspects with all
much clarity, but if you want should i post them in hindi to for your clear
understanding. Ok no matter once again my worthy congratulations
to you for being an alumni who is so much curious about student
politics but dear friend make this curiosity for progressive thoughts.
I am sorry to see your frustration. You are alumni that is welcome you deserve my heartiest congratulations for that. But what about You are talking about fee
structure, Do you know how much funding the IITS and NITs are getting
from MHRD, the university like ours is not even getting 10 percent of that.
Ya i fully agree that IIT SAc is not comparable to Ours as it is not
democratic as ours as it has become a play thing in hands of
administration. Education is not merely passing degrees, education
is overall development of person from socio economic, political, etc
aspects that is the right education. You are talking about funding of your NIIT and compared it with private engineering colleges, is it comparable in any
way ? CAn you compare funding of NIIT with any state university like HPU no at all. I am sorry to say that you are talking these rubbish things without any formal
knowledge or data . I agree you dont have SFI in NIT, that why there is
difference between you and SFI student, If you ought to be , You cant
stand in front of SFI student for a minute in any aspect, if dont agree
you can try??? Dear friend dont take me to be harsh, you should get
your thinking changed and develop a progressive bent of mind, Then
you will be a true alumini, otherwise every pass out becomes a
alumni of what type you better know.
I think in my previous post I have answered all the aspects with all
much clarity, but if you want should i post them in hindi to for your clear
understanding. Ok no matter once again my worthy congratulations
to you for being an alumni who is so much curious about student
politics but dear friend make this curiosity for progressive thoughts.
Well Mr. Whosoever.. First of posting by 3 times you are showing your desperation … and if you call yourself as a progressive student .. then I do not even want to be one… Breaking window panes of buses … closing down institutions.. doing harm to public property .. that’s you my friend.. look into the mirror…. A huge portion of tax payers money; my money you play with … and you should be harshly punished for that …. I do not need any certificates of being good Alumni and good behavior from you at least. Please be rest assured that I understand and speak English, Hindi and Pahari well …so please do not push your frustration on me….Many of your fellow carders are middle aged and still hanging on ..in HPU… because they were never there for learning…. I was always against such type of politics and vandalism and always will be. I always have contributed for betterment of society and my Himachal in my own capacity, I do not need any certificate from you and your organization for that. And yes, if Himvani..which used to be voice of Himachali people is to be hijacked by political parties; then I am sorry to say I will not be visiting it anymore… Mr. Whosoever do not be judgmental that SFI folks are reincarnation of God and no one can stand in front of them, be grounded my dear friend.
Truth is always bitter. When ever you peoples are acquainted with the same you got frustrated and in frustration do write the things as you are doing right know. If you didn’t want Political issues to be discussed on Himvani then why did you join the debate? Actually I have realized your political affiliation by now. What is the real face of peoples like you is first attack SFI with your vociferous comments and when you fall in debate my mistake then you peoples try to divert from the issue by saying that you are not for politics. Which tax you peoples are talking about, that tax which was paid for construction of window pans in VC office that were broken by ABVP goons. Or of chief warden office which were broken by your so called ABVP friends. Like this there are many stories if want to know ask me I shall provide you with details.
What rubbish you are talking about SFI peoples, We don’t consider them incarnation or what you peoples may label, But yes SFI peoples are true intellectual and the peoples like you cant stand in front of them for minute when it is the question of debate, academics or other such things. It is your this desperation that when you peoples are left with no way , then you peoples start politics of emotional blackmailing . If you don’t want politics to be involved in himvani, then don’t get involved in debate because it is for politically educated people not for so-called apolitical ones that you claim to be.
ax payers money
I am sorry for being harsh dear friend. But you people don’t understand the language of love or sincerity. What you have contributed to society, I am not interested to know. I know one thing what ABVP has contributed to society. The hate politics based on caste religion and gender discrimination. Rape of dalits in Dharas, imposing dress code on girls, severely hurting the religious feelings of others. Killing of teachers, Is this type of contribution you are talking of, then my dear friend I am proud of you keep it up???? Now don’t say that you are also not affiliated to ABVP also and you are non political
Himvani seem to have published the entire press note of SFI. Where is the news in this?
Mr. Narad, what are you expecting from this?
Mr. Tikender has taken this issue rightly.The bloodshed that is played by saffron forces in HP Univ campus is very serious thing. It is not just first time that on the back of State Govt. ABVP has committed such kind of heinous act. In the past ABVP has committed so many such kind of acts.
But why are tou supporting ABVP here?
Read my post carefully. I am questioning the 'news' aspect here as this happens to be a new site. Why is it so hard to understand plain english?
I strongly agree that this article should be given the headline "VIEW FROM THE LEFT".
HATS OFF TO HIMVANI………………………WHAT A JOKE
Mr. Vivek, I strongly oppose your headline but i think its headline must be " VIEWS FROM THE STUDENT COMMUNITY". It may be possible that you are not aware of the truth but the student community of HP University knows what is right and what is wrong. They know better what is SFI and what is its role in order to rise students demands.
Thats why i will suggest you to read the history of student movement in HPUniv. Then you will be in better position to understand the Role of SFI. and then you will also understand the destructive role of ABVP
Yess Mr Virender.. we know the "View from the Student COmmmunity" . Everybody knows, who is responsible for the two murders in the HPU campus…. everybody knows the role of SFI in making this univ a hell… …..Actually you people worried a lot when u see this HPU campus in the hands of other than the leftist….
You people dont have any right to comment on the development of HPU,,,, everybody knows what u have done to the progress of the UNIV irrespective of the fact that u are in the sca from the last 19 years..
Your Red Durg in West Bengal is diminisinggg… and now it the number of HPU…
Waitt… Pleaseee
It is really shamefull act of the state first the law and order is not under the control not only in shimla HPU campus but in all over the state so where on one hand the govt. at biggest failure and on the second part they are trying to killing the democratic movements either through the goons of ABVP or by the state power. it is true the writer note sems to be in the favor of SFI but author can't do anything when it is the question of truth and what is truth writer just wrote down.
When some of my friends giving the heading "view from left" seems to be part of the same politics governed by the state knowingly or unknowingly.
my dear friend commented that the comrades are misguiding the readers i don't know about the comrades but the news paper is writing about the incident if i believe on that than it seems that the politics of hate is at par. state government intentionally arrested only the activists of SFI. I couldn't understand why the police officer involved in raid in hostel and found weapons (swords and Khukri) from ABVP leaders room has been transfered in such a short period,
on the one hand police admitting that it was clash between two organoizations than why only SFI activist are arrested and framed non bailable including 307, is it the preparation of the state for student council election and trying to grab the power in the campus by hook or crrok???.
If police found sharp edge weapons from the rooms of the different organizations leader why there is no arrest.
Is this the only way for maintaining law and order, state government should think on it seriously, In a democratic state should not act like Hitler and even the organizations such as AVBP should not act like stooges of state but try to fight the issues democratically.
I know i am expecting something wrong from such organization, blamed all over India for politics of hate.
State govt show some responsibility towards the democratic processes and should not cross that line.
Dear Sandeep, Can you justify how student politics is serving to the interests of the Students. I am born and brought up in the vicinity of HPU Campus and had even completed four degrees from this university and I don't think that the student leaders or student organizations have achieved something rock solid in their entire history. Student politics had always lead to violence and enemity among the students. Please Justify……………..On one hand if there is an increase of 10 rupee in the fee of a course, your so called student leaders and student organizations starts agitation claiming that it will bar the students of poor families from getting higher education and on the same night of their agitations they enjoy their agitations by getting drunk and abusing the people living nearby or around hostel areas. Is this the standard of education they are getting from the University or is this the education they are coming with back from their families. These student leaders can't even justify their practices in the campus and could you believe that they will really change the destiny of the students?
If you didnt achieved any thing you cant believe the student organizations for that. It is your will and your own capability through which you get . I dont know about others but SFI has glorius history of producin various intelectuals, scientists, academicians etc who used to be active for student politics. Regarding fees hike it is not the question of 10 Rs it is question if we didnt protest this fee hike right from begnning then it will be 100 next time, 1000 other time and so on. CAn a student whose family monthly income is 2000-3000 purchas a form of Punjab university? Answer is absolutely No. At time of my joining HPU I also wanted to Join PU but at that time the cost for prospectus was 1200 Rs, seeing this huge cost I have to give up my idea of purchasing form of PU. This was in 2003. After 6 years how much it will cost i dont know. It is your privelage that you completed 4 degrees but it is also due to student politics that one can complete as many degrees as he, provided he is eligible. Other wise government has left no stone unturned to stop this.
Some passionate pleas has been made defending the SFI and ABVP. I would like to pose one just question. Why do we require student politics and student leaders. What purpose they serve and what do they deliver to the society in general?
Isn't it an ego trip of some of these self styled leaders?? How many will make it to 68 assembly and 4 parliamentary seats!!
Well said Nityin. Any answers please ?
Dear Nityin, I think you are from a landlord family. That why you are asking about the need of student politics and need of student leaders. Do you know that HPUniv is the second cheapest univ in india after JNU. Thats why a girl and boy from a poor family can also take sducation from this univ. That is what the SFI has given to student community in its 30 years struggle. Do you know it. I think you have need to study the historical student movement of HP University. So read it.
It is heartening to note that the questions posted here have indeed evoked large number of responses. Entire posters have been from SFI. It would have been interesting to note the responses from ABVP side too. What I have gathered from the responses, in a nut shell, is HPU is the second best to JNU in terms of fees and thanks to the SFI poor students are able to complete their education.
I guess things look so rosy when, seen from an ideological frame but is the reality so rosy? What is the quality of education here. Pls let me know what is the employability ratio outside this campus. JNU happens to churn out large number of administrators, thinkers and even people within the social sector. What has been the overall performance here of the HPU students. What does an average topper score here? Someone above has posted HPU students don't score 80% and so Wilson committee recommendations need to be opposed. Is this the level of competition here? If you can't beat them, bend the rules??
Someone mentioned one can take as many degrees since education is very cheap. But my friend what is the worth of these degrees outside Summerhill chowk? These degrees can only make one employable within that very govt which you oppose year after year. No wonder every govt. functioning stinks because the human resource comes from this 'coveted' HPU. This may sound harsh but my friend please remember you represent the very same University where PMT papers were sold two years back!!!
Very cleverly, the issue of violence has been sidetracked by entire posters.
Lastly, No Sir, I am not from a landlord family! I am a very small farmer. Since you made it personal, allow me to say two biggest landlords happens to be your organisation mentors. Here I am assuming you are with the SFI judging by your response above.
Wishes!
My dear friend seems to be totally unaware of need of student politics in education system It is very good question indeed. The answer at present which seems to be most appropriate is visit HP university to join some course and you will get the answer youself. If you have already studied there, then it is very unfortunate that you are still asking such a sill question, then dear friend no one can help you????
Well I was making the same point… why do we need student politics … what is the future ?? I think except political parties all will agree that most of the people involved in such incidents are not the one who join universties/colleges thinking that they have to do good in studies… So Mr. Author I think we could have done without such a story.
Well my dear Rajesh,
i think u are totally unaware of the need of the student politics in today's scenario. Don,t u know that SFI has been the only students' organization that has exposed such nefarious designs of the government as PMt Scam or the Fake paper scandal…moreover, i think that perhaps u should know what SFI is and what are its objectives and what role it has played in student politics since its inception in 1972…we are not a nation of landlords rather 80 percent of our population has its subsitence on agriculture and it tells d story of poor students pursuing higher educatiion and SFI shoulders the responsibility of such a poor mass of students…and i think that is the right answer to your question…ur further questions are most welcome…
Thanks for the comments..Mr. Bansal. As per you Student politics is today's scenario…Let it be.. but associate some merit to it (read my first post)… Am I unaware of this scenario .. NO.. But do I imbibe it in current state…. ABSOLUTE NO… Why Not?? Because majority of so called student leaders do not come to institutions of higher learnings to study or let others study.. They come for Dharma's, Strike, Spread goonism.. whatever be the fraction pro-govt or Anti-Govt. So better get your priorities in life. If you want to do good for society fund primary education for poor. Arrange food and clothing for the poor …And yes, again … does IIM's, IIT's, NIT's ..internationally MIT or Wharton have political parties backed student election ….NO
well Mr. Rajesh,
This is my understanding that no students organization will expose the anti-government and anti-student policies of its own government…we have seen it in himachal pradesh where as i have pointed out earlier it is only SFI which has played a pivotal role in curbing this menance of corruption…as for as u are advocating iits and nits…let me tell u that these institutes have their own prestigious place in the country and worldover…But my dear friend a common, poor student cannot pursue his or her b.tech or m.sc. from the same institutes…he has brain but he has no money to invest into his education…it is the duty of the govt to provide cheap educaton in all institutes…and SFI takes upon it the responsibility to provide educaton for such needy students by making its movement strong throughout the country because we say'education for all , and jobs for all'. and we are not in d campuses for the cause of religion as u pointed out,it is rather d duty of religious and d saffron forces…Our duty is to protect the rights of students and for it we need progressive, scientific and demorcatic results.
IT has proven now: saffron forces have no existance without inciting violence in society. Without creating disturbence, they feel the danger of extinction. It has proven now after attack on SFI Activists in HP University campus.
Dear Friend,
I am sorry to see that my learned friend is so much illiterate about role of politics in education system. Our whole life is directly or indirectly effected by ploitics, but here it will be good if i can talk about education. My dear friend should know the fact that every aspect of education is controlled by politics from funding to curriculum. It is our politicians who decide what we have to study, for that what we have to pay etc. So why it is not appropriate that student should himself decide what they have to study and at what cost. My friend talked about upper age limit, why ???? Should student issues comes with age. Merit is good but their should be an equal scale for that also throughout the country. Ours is diverse country with hundred of universities and with their own way of marking. Then how the criterion of 60 % could be followed ??? Isnt it will be injustice. Regarding my friend question of IITs and NITs doing well, thats highly appreciable, but have my friend ever thought reason for that. The reason is not that we are short of trained minds in universities , the most welcome example is of JNU ( Though a central university with lots of funding from Government), the main reason is funding to the universities, what is funding for HPU.??? An average IIT gets is some what 200 crore Rs PA. Without funding you cant claim to be at best, and who release these fundings???. Regarding elected student unions role, go to world class universities as JNU etc and compare with other universities where student union are not allowed. For knowledge of my dear frien there exists student unions in IITs also generally called as SAC. The election for same is conducted every year , but it is unfortunate that these student unions in IITs are not democratic and also has limited powers which has been done by well known nexus of administrators and politicians so that they can carry out their un wanted activities freely without any resistance.
IISc ( Indian Institute of Sciences ) the premier institute of science in India, every year elections are conducted there for student union and student union is functional round the year, still it is best in terms of research. Dear Friends in our university it is not student politics that is harming, but it is direct interference of sucessive state governments particularly bhagwa bregade so called BJP who wants their peoples to get entry in to university without any academic qualification proposed for that. There are many examples of this when BJP has managed to get its peoples entered in to Universities without any eligibility qualification, at that time where is the merit? Is merit meant only for poor students or who cant pay huge money to politicians to secure admissions or whose relative is not a politicians?
Still the Himachal Pradesh University has glorius history of producing eminent scholars, scientists etc who were also active political leader in university and fought for right of student community along with maintaining high standards in their education also.
After an attack on the students owing allegiance to SFI in HPU on 14th July 2009, shockingly, thirteen students of SFI were arrested and none from ABVP, who were present on the spot with sharp weapons and were burning hoardings and banners of SFI, were caught by the police.
It is pertinent to mention that after the attack at about 7:30 PM S.P. Shimla conducted a press conference and alleged that SFI students are guilty U/S 307 (attempt to murder) without any complaint by the other party and without the proof/medical report.
It may be mentioned that the attack on the SFI who also happens to be the elected union representatives of the university was abetted by both the police administration and the university authorities who connived together. The reason for their connivance is that the university authorities are led by the former ABVP leaders who are determined to turn the HPU into RSS fiefdom. The incumbent Vice Chancellor also happens to be of the same stream. The university under his leadership intends to fill up more than 250 vacant posts of teachers through backdoor entry bypassing the Wilson formula which lays stress on merit. It is this ambition and intention that they want to carry forward and the forces that are against the scrapping of Wilson formula have naturally become their target. It is precisely because of this reason that the attack was masterminded by the police and the university authorities to create ruckus in the campus so that they can go ahead with their sinister designs.
It is relevant to mention here that the call for such an action was given on 9th July 2009 in the university auditorium where the VC addressed the gathering organized by the ABVP and called upon the university community including the students, teachers and the non teaching staff to strengthen ABVP in the campus. This was the starter for the evil designs of the university authorities.
That the matter became intolerable when Mr. Surender Kumar Rana who was lodged in sub-jail Kaithu under judicial custody, was prevented to appear in his Ph.D. entrance examination which was to be held in Punjab University on 19th July 2009. Be it stated that the prior permission for the same was already sought from the Hon’ble court and the orders of court was intimated to S.P. Shimla along with other Police Authorities. When this matter was highlighted by media S.P. Shimla started giving vague statements that Surender Kumar Rana did not have his Roll No. and so was not allowed by the University to enter inside but when Roll No. slip was presented he took his safe side by suspending his Head Constable.
A new glaring fact has come to the fore now. Ramesh Kumar a student of MA Sanskrit has been lodged in the judicial custody , though neither is his name in the FIR nor his name appears in the police report of those who were arrested by them. The police under directions for the SP has kept Ramesh Kumar under illegal custody since last 10 days and requires explanation and immediate suspension of the said officer i.e. SP Shimla.
Dear friendss,
Please dont be blind while listening to the pleas of My friend… especialy these Commeradess… Actually we have a 'AADAT' to attack the police whenever it is possible..
Do you really know the cause of the attack ?
I will tell you dear readers… I favour ABVP but please dont interpretate my views as the voice of the ABVP… i wil tell u the whole incidence as a 'live watcher' of that incidence..
What happned at the day when SFI students were arrestedd :-
1. At around 4.00 SFI campus president Naresh attacked a student of law in law campus named Aashish for having affilation with the ABVP.
2. Aasshish who was a student of Law 2ND retaliated and repilied to the attack on the NARESH, former SCA president of SFI.
3. Nraresh collected the SFI activist in the Caffiteria of the HPU and started manuplating the thinngs as he had got slap from his junior.
4. SFI stone pelteed the Summer Chowk where about 20 students of ABVP were gatheredd…. but lot of civilans were also there..
5., SFI people attacked the Chowk from two sides.. cafettria side and the Advance studies side.
6. ABVP also retalieted… also pelted stone at SFI activists.
7. Meanwhile police came….. tries to console both the sidesss.
8. ABVP people dispuresed from the side…. but sfi still continues the pelting of stone of the SUmmer Chowk where a few ABVP activist and ciivilans were there as it the main bus stand of summer hill chowkk..
9. A few student beloning to the ABVP gets serious head injuriesss.
10. Police fired bullttes in the air.
Please also varify the fact the Naresh was posing to the "DONE OF the Campus " or NOT..
Dear Verender,
Please Let know everry HImvani reade why Naresh was explled from the HPU..
Were not these reasons:-
1. He attacked DSW in his office ?
2. He was involved in attack of ABVP Activist Naresh and man y otherss.
4. Did not he misbehaved with the HPUTVA president in the campus while he was taking class ?
Very good now you have shown your real face my dear saffron brigade member. It is genuine on part of you and your peoples that they very soon get in to personal attacks, when you are unable to stand up in debate. Thats not a new thing it is your culture and tradition that every one knows. But we dont have to give any explanation for it as the university community knows very well who is don or who is not. You are right NAresh was rusticated, and we are proud to have student leaders like naresh who were put behind the bars and rusticated because they fight for student cause. If you dont remember, for your knowledge in 2000-2001 when many SFI leaders were rusticated there were two ABVP Persons also. But It was SFI who faught for revoking their rustication , but ABVP got back on the issue because it was directed to do so by Bhagwas…
I assure you if some day you also got rusticated for the stone pelting like monkeys as per your traditions, I assure you that ABVP will not help you then but I am fully confident that SFI will still be there and there would be many Naresh who will go behind the bars and will face rustication to revoke your rustication, because for SFI you will be a student first and in protecting students rights SFI doesnt do the cheap politics like yours.
If you want to try this, get your self rusticated, but not by throwing stones, just fight for student cause like naresh, and you will be rusticated, and i assure you SFI will be there for your help in all circumstances. Try this …
My Dear Commeradee !!
Perhaps u dont know you are not worth to have debate on any issue because your every debate strarts from blood bashes and other ugly activities as you do in West Begal and Kerala… and some times in HPU too… Whenever you get good retaliation (Like in HPU)… you consider them as attack on your rights. You have been exposed everytime.
Rest, on your advice to rusticate my self from HPU.. i will only say if you are a good leader you dont need rustication to proove yourself. Being a student leader, rustication is the biggest blog on your face. (As Many SFI people generally have). Your thiking and debate level starts from the Cafetria and ends in the SCA room. Moreover, my parents and my organisation have teach me some "Sanskaars", to respect your teachers even during demanding your rights from them. Not like this rusticated guy.. who catches the collar of the teachers every time like Goondass … Tell me if your father would have been that guy.. what would have been you response to the Progressive Student activity.
Actually Commerades Agenda is to convert HPU into Red Colours.. in which you will never get success as people will teat you just as "Thalli Ke Bengan".
Now coming on your DEBATE, tell me what is the contribution of these leaders when they join the society after the HPU campus. (Sorry i forgot your only contribution in HPU about two murders done by your force ). Why your student leaders join BJP and Congress after they get free from their rustication activities… Why people ignore you in the electoral battles ….? Why your base has been decreased to only Shimla district ? Why all SFI leaders are seen in Vidhan Sabha begging before the Congress and BJP leaders bargaining for their jobs ?
Ha, ha, ha, I know it that it will happen very early. You peoples can’t stay for long in debate because you peoples have nothing for debate. In your frustration you peoples reach directly to Kerala and WB. But dear friend you forgot in desperation the Godhra, The bari masjid demolishion etc. Yes the brutal police repression on students associated with SFI is retaliation in your language. Rustication may be blog to peoples like you, but we are proud for that as we have faced the rustication many a times for student cause. What Sanskars You are talking about that you got from your so called organization, Trying to rape dalit girls in Dharas for which your so elected SCA members in 2001 were involved. Or you are talking about sanskar when your elected secretary of rampur was convicted for rape. Or when your workers entered in to the dharas in mandi district. I think this sanskar you peoples got is very small, your main sanskars are killing of Prof. Sabharwal in MP. These are your main sanskars besides this there are many more, if you want to know more then do ask me I will provide you with details.
The questions you posed to me, as far as of HPU campus, then you know very well and the answer is being provided by the student community, and they are providing for last 3-4 decades. Don’t you know?
Don’t get frustrated my dear one day it will be red and that red will not discriminate you also for the reason that you belong to organization from sick mentality. Regarding Jobs it has been history of SFI leaders, if you don’t know ask your seniors they will tell you how our peoples have reached to prestigious positions through Judiciary and struggle because saffron brigade and their so called goons don’t want them in good position. They used all sort of tricks and political pressure to stop SFI students from reaching good positions. There are many such examples in HPU?? What about you..Dont you know some of teachers who are affiliated to your organization directly or indirectly who made backdoor entry in to university during BJP tenure. Then some of them were found to be ineligible during previous Govt, when enquiry commission was set up for that. DO you want to know more????
long in
Yeah ! I even know about the entries in the Chemistry as well as Mathematics department
U did not answered why u have restircted to shimla only
Ya you must know, there are two such teachers in chemistry, one of which is famous in whole world and India for there are only two peoples in their respective field of research one is in chemistry department whom about you are talking. Both of these have gained the entry to university through the interference of Honorable High court of Himachal Pradesh. AS you and your saffron peoples don’t wants such intelligent brain in university as that will cause a problem to you peoples some of who were caught red handed while cheating in examinations ( Don’t you remember Law incidence which occurred twice).
And there are Intellectuals from your side also some of them in Physics who are not even Ph.D , getting name in research world wide is a very big thing.
Dear a b v p activist HPU studentb community knows better than you who attacked on DSW. 1sly iwant to say you that you peoples r misguiding the people because in DSW office S.C.A deligates r present not S.F.I. DSW was attacked by his organizatio &party i.e. a b vp & bjp people bythe statement like that SCA ne DSW KA chirharan kiya & he feel shame in campus and also do drama of giving regignation which he done every three Months.
Yess u are right surender.. HPU community knows better than you and me.. that was why the whole of the Geography department on the next date of the incidence took a protest march against the stupid act by your student leader…….!!
Ya there is nothing strange that whole of geography department took
a march. Why not whole university when there are more then 30 departments in university.
It seems that the main breeding house for saffron brigade is geography department and indeed it is true . Dont you agree with me ?
Yess u are right. Like the SFI brigage
has nursery in Chemistry Department…
Where professors affilated to SFI directly demand vote
for SFI….
Mr Rajender.. Just wrote few comments for me.. "Whenever you peoples are acquainted with the same you got frustrated" PEOPLES – and he was telling me that I do not understand English. "SFI peoples are true intellectual and the peoples like you cant stand in front of them for minute when it is the question of debate, academics or other such things" – AGAIN PEOPLES, Can you do spell check at least – This is the modesty :):) …. Well do you have IAS India Rank 1 in HPU SFI. … "If you don’t want politics to be involved in himvani" – Do I need an English Lecture to understand this??? …. "Which tax you peoples are talking about" – (Folks please ignore Peoples it is a habit) The tax which I pay every year for better facilities and because of Goons like you most of the expenditure is done on renovation and not on construction of new facilities………. And my friends asks me that why did you join the debate if you do not want politics – Answer is because I want himvani to be an apolitical forum, wherein people can get in touch with fellow himachali's, our beloved state and bring in their ideas 'n' thoughts for betterment of our homeland.
It is customary for you peoples to get out of track while debating the real problem, but don't worry we are here for your every kind of tricks and propaganda. We are not sorry that there is not a person from SFI who has rank 1 in IAS but i suppose you are that from ABVP? Is it right. For your kind information we have Administrative peoples who performed very well in administrative services also beside contributing for students cause. One of them is DIG sikkim. You cant have a single one of such a high rank because you peoples believe in back door entry in every institution of learning, employment etc. should i provide List? From your statement it appears that you are on verge of desperation. What special tax you pay , i don't know, may be you must be paying for strengthening your bhagwa brigade. That is not going on to do better for himachal instead you peoples are spreading communal poisoning. After doing all these things you peoples are consoling your identity and pretend to be non political as is clear from your notes in which their is not any single word about other political parties. For your kind knowledge it is SFI who has forced the Govt. to book the culprits of question paper scam in HPU that cost ex chequer loss of 9 crores to university and indirectly to state. This was the true tax which was paid by peoples of Himachal. At that time it was only SFI that faught a historic agitation to bring the guilty to book. Where were you or your peoples that time. It was we goons who faught at that time.We are goons because we don't succumbs to your policies and hate politics and every time gave a strong retaliation to your hate politics. Thanks for your suggestion on spell check, i will surely follow this as we are taught to learn good things from every one irrespective of their political affiliation but it is not a matter of spell check here it is a matter of overall development and the person who dosnt understand the role of politics in education is illeterate mere passing a degree cant do ?? In case of education also you cant prove to be better from us because we believe in study and struggle and for us education means not mere mugging up of things but the overall development of thoughts that leads to creation of new ideas .
And you are apoliticizing himvani by spreading rumours and hatered against SFI??? Is this your non political nature. I know your affiliation very well but like you we dont feel ashamed of our political affiliation because no one in our organization was convicted for rape etc. So my dear it is not wrong on part of you to conceal your political identity, because no one will like to publicly disclose his or her identity with organization who has been nurturing rapists, killers of teachers anti women etc.. I am so sorry for you and your frustration but I am helpless I cant help you.
Please do search some spelling mistakes and let me know that will be a welcome step.
Mr. Rajender .. On your statement…" What special tax you pay , i don’t know" …IT IS CALLED INCOME TAX… I hope and wish you are an earning hand and you realize … that when a portion of your hard earned money goes in taxes and you see most of the funds go in renovations and at times public transport is held hostage by so called progressive students. You have a tendency to see people like .. if they are not with you then they are against you… Can you show me where in my comments I have praised any other student outfit… YOU NEED LENSES MAN… and some good remedy for cleanliness of your mind as well. … I need no affiliations for being myself .. and the same does not apply to you… that’s the difference between me and you… Please start preparing for long reply … because there is something which you do not have articulation
It doesnt need any preparation man.We are ever ready to reply peoples like you. I think lenses are needed for you , as i dont said that you praised any organization iI simply quoted that you havent named any other political party except SFI that clearly shows your mentality. What about your taxes when they are spent on undue spending by govt ministers etc then you dont talk anything. You dont spoke a word when ABVP do destruction and also you have no right left to decide that it is SFI who caused destruction , it is just your low bent of mind which is forcing you to do this. I am so sorry for you. But how can you realize when you dont have the basic knowledge about student politics. Dear friend there is no scarcity of phiolosphers in our country so if you want to debate, do some progressive , without spelling poison against particular organization.
You are right that you dont need any affiliation because to whom you will show affiliation that organization of rapists, goons etc. I am proud of my affiliation to SFI and will remain for ever that I am and used to be a part of this Progressive student university.
Please read above posted comment as from Rajender, It was by mistake written from Side of RAj Bansal.
Ha Ha :)… One guy 2 id's …. You Thug …This is the way you vote in elections as well.
This is the height of you frustration that i wanted to take you, because it is the only way you peoples come to your reality. Why you joined ABVP when you are ashamed of showing your affiliation. Don’t be ashamed my dear friend, come openly although I know that it is not your and yours organization culture to get in debate because they only believe in spreading hatred and poisoning.
Now I Think you are left with nothing for debate that’s why you have now came to show your real face by using abusive words , but don’t worry it doesn’t matter for me because I know that the true face of peoples like you and your organization is what you are showing now, well keep it up because it is the only way you people could survive.
Mr. Peoples does not understand logical stuff I got know because of some of previous posts; But he is unaware of emotions, as laughing is not frustration. At best it can be sarcasm. And for your information let me put a disclaimer… I have never been part of any student or national political party, ever in my life till date. Hope this clarifies. Period. … …. and looking at your post I can deduce that if tomorrow morning you are late for your classes ( provided you attend), you will hold all your rival parties responsible for that … Chill
Mr. So called social thinker you said you are not entrusted to any political parties or student organization till date. And from Your previous notes if you are sincere about that, you are not even a student now. Then Mr. Thinker you have no right to interfere in student politics and impose your so called thinking. It is people like you who doesnt know ABC of student politics but still used to argue un necessarily ?? When you are also not a student then who are you to decide the fate of student politics, let the student themself decide it, dont try to interfere in student politics as it is beyond your scope and sylabi. DO your work for which your employer is paying you, I think he must not be paying to you for all these things. And dont care about my classes as we know better then you people, and rest about attending I have again and again challenged you lets compete in what you want, in education academic awards or others , have any doubt then lets compete.
As per your non affiliation from any political parites I think that you are hired by ABVP-BJP bhagwa brigade for posting comments. How much you are getting for your extra co curricular work???
Can the moderators please stop this abusing here on Himvani. When it is clear that this man is not ready for discussion and is indulging in his party propaganda and now have started abusing people openly here. High time Himvani does not turn up into a rediff like discussion forum. What is the standing of this person who is posting with 2 ids just to increase the number of posts???
Now you also came , who are you, I am a student and have every right to talk. Now when you peoples have left nothing to debate then you are indulging in these sorts of things, See the notes posted by you and your peoples, how abusive they are??What will happen by making these sorts of notes on himvani, get indulge in some progressive debate, if you have the same but I don’t think so? What two IDs you were talking about, these are of two separate people, for which a disclaimer has already been issued, I need not to give you any proof for that. This is customary for you Bhagwa brigades when you peoples are left with nothing you get on this sort of cheap propaganda. Who the other are? Aren’t they from your bhagwa Kabila??? Don’t get frustrated I understand your frustration, instead reply to questions posed to you and your bhagwa brigade members……
@Rajinder
So you have a one point agenda. Anyone who does not agree with you is from the Bhagwa brigade. This has been taught to you and you been crowing here like a parrot. For a person like you who does not seem to have an iota of humbleness, even if your party has been wronged but the way you have been singing here the 'revolutionary' ideas, you have lost every inch of goodwill you must have had with the readers. If we have revolutionaries like you, then lord save the revolution you must be dreaming day in and out. It is pretty simple with you. Any one who have dared oppose student politics has been rudely snubbed by this man. It is only Surinder who is taking up issues from ABVP point of view, rest all have decried student politics in general. This man has probably forgotten that this is democracy and every one has a point of view and right to differ. For him, it is quite simple, anyone who differs from his point of view is from a Bhagwa brigade. It may come as a surprise to him that there are people who still exists outside the purview of any political party.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO THINK THIS MAN IS FROM HIMACHAL UNIVERSITY, HERE IS THE CATCH. A little hack tells me he is posting from Rorkee. He is using the same IP address for his name and that of Raj Bansal. So just ignore his rants. He is one of those hired to fill posts here. Let some real student from the HPU come here for some meaningful discussions.
And Mr. Rajinder while you were preaching to someone to do the job as his employers do not pay for him to sit on the inernet, what about you???
I am really shocked to know the frustration of you peoples. I know your little hack also. Don’t try to divert the issue. On one side you are praising ABVP on the same side pretending to be non political. Who are real himachali in your view; the people who walk side by side in your deeds and deeds of your brigade and others who dare to question you are not real himachalis? What debate you will do? Do you have any issue except spreading religious and communal poisoning? What you think we don’t know what your affiliation is? I will surely agree to you and it will be really praise worthy, but do some progressive talks. For your computer knowledge let me tell you that and also tell your little hack (whom I know very well) that even if the mails are coming from same IP (indeed here it is from two different persons from two different PC) it doesn’t mean that they are of same person or are used by same person so don’t try to misguide the readers discuss the real issue, for which I think you have nothing left. You are right that in democracy everybody has right to speak, but democracy has not given any right for spreading rumours or religious and communal poisoning which you peoples are spreading, and it is not on your plea the readers will judge as they are well educated to analyze the things so they don’t need your suggestion regarding what they should do or not. And regarding my himachali, I don’t need to give certificate to you or to your bhagwa brigade.
HEllo mr Narad,
IT would have been worst for Rajender if he had not claimed that the mail was by mistake from rajbansal,s name.
Actually it is not our tradtion to keep people in false beliefs by telling them lies. Rajender has already accepted that.
BUt if u don't believe then it is your tradition of remaining adamant to your judgemental ways. And a person doesn't
need two id's ( as u mentioned) just for the sake of SFi…We openly claim that we are from SFI and for that reason we
assert that there are not only two persons who are taking stand against whole bhagwa brigade, rather u must know that one
comrade is worth hundred. YOU must have seen our unity in HPU…and we will show the same when the time comes because
we are carrying forward the legacy of that great martyr of Punjab of laid down his life at the tender age of 23 just to get freedom
not only for comrades but for u , for me and for the whole nation …and we are very proud of being a part of it…
Real Face of a Commerade !! haaaaa haaaaaa
Dear don't laugh on yourself, i understand your frustration, don't worry,
keep going ……
My dear Commerade !! Dont poses yourself to be very intelligent etc etc…. I know the intelligency of your people.. for example the student who under arrest gave false discription of his address and id…. basically you used him as you use normal students…. but now he is in BIg Troble… Police has registred the case of Fraud against him….. is this the example of your intelligency or oversmartness..!!!!
My dear friend
Thanks for returning to real issue, it is better late then never. Your police ( Sorry under the direction of bhagwa brigade) has registered the case, in order to save them from the trouble they have to face by keeping a guy in illegal detention, this is only way left for them , so dont worry about it when we are facing 307 ( illegally implicated on SFI only) we will also face the same. But why no case was registered against the cops and their boss who under the direction from bhagwa brigade prevented SCA Joint secreatary from appearing in Ph.D entrance exam by delaying his departure to chandigarh, despite of the fact that this was orderd by the court it self. Are You talking about same cops or are they some what different from these one. Who will trust these peoples who can go up to any limit in order to keep their so called bhagwa bosses happy. Do you have to say any thing in the matter????
Kindly update your knowledge………. the police has suspended the Head Constable who was responsible to bring Surender to the Chandigarh……. Dont think i am a spokesman of HP Police… but see how you are criticizing the same SP who was responsible to conduct the lathicharge on ABVP students in EF hostel last year….. that was right step by you and the SFI in that incidence appreciated the SP……. What has happned to you now ?
Dear Friend I am fully updated, further update is required for you as , last year it was ABVP activists who were throwing stones from EF hostel, despite of repeated request from police they didn’t stopped, it was then SHO who ordered to cane charge them in order to stop them. During raid the police also confiscated huge arsenals including swords, rods, sticks etc from EF hostel. Can you tell me that is it possible for SFI to throw stones to EF hostel from roads which leads to other hostel, It will require some very powerful machines of more than 1000 HP to get stone reached from below to EF hostel, do you people want to say that we have the same??? It is his , this fault for which he was rewarded with suspension, where was the SP then, he was no where present on the scene otherwise he would also has been sacked by the BJP government. You should update this for your knowledge. Regarding surinder, it was your SP and top police brass who were responsible for delaying deployment of escort for Mr.Surinder, then to save themselves from court they sacked the constable making him the scape goat although real conspirators are still at large. Any way this was a gross violation of student right and court orders, doesn’t it seems to you that this was condemnable act despite of the political affiliation of surinder. Have you or your peoples have ever condemned this incidence, NO??? Still it is not too late if you really cares for student right do condemn it…
Hello Mr. hired penpusher from Roorkee… Why is
your tirade dying down? Not received money for all
the hard work done?
Don’t get frustrated Mr. Nadarad Moonee, I think you doesn’t have anything more left for debate, don’t you think that now you are on verge of frustration, consult your bhagwa brigade so that they could provide you with some cheap propaganda or thing to discuss. Don’t panic so much, it is not good for health, as you are future of your bhagwa brigade, as they can’t survive without the peoples like you a great propagandist , so keep trying, don’t care about the readers they are not laughing on you keep going….all the best for your next cheap trick…
And Kindly tell me the reason for the attack by SFI students on the chowk ?
Oh Mr. Nadarad moonee i am so sorry for you. Dont your bhagwa brigade member told you on night before these attack, when this was planed by your bhagwa brigade. OK don't get disappointed simply ask your brigade that in future they should to tell you well in advance, before planning any attack on SFI
I don't have the burden to pretend myself as a student of Himachal University and then write trash all the way from Roorkee. I am not answerable to any of the Red or the Bagwa brigade nor do I look for alms by posting tons of trash on site. So how is the revolution progressing sitting in front of the computer and posing as a Himachal University student. Last I read, in real world commies were getting trashed out in their citadel WB. Buddu babu was crying Maoist Maoist in Lalgarh… with not a single commie not even miles around. What happened?? A bunch of Muslim villagers in Nandigram blew the air out of the red flag?
Mr. Nadarad Moonee, I am sorry to see your frustration, but I am helpless I can’t help you. On what thing you are debating has itself became a matter of debate because you peoples don’t know what to debate? Only you people know is how to spread poisoning about other political organization because you very well know the fact that you people can’t stand in progressive debate. What you are talking about your non affiliation to bhagwa brigade If you are so much ashamed of your organization then why don’t you left it and do some progressive debate. But sorry Why I am asking you, indeed this is what you have been taught in your bhagwa schools that do every undue thing and then pretend to be anonymous. What do you think I don’t know your identity, are you so smart? I know very well but here it was the debate on political issue if you want to debate your identity crisis that you are facing then also you are welcome, maybe I shall succeed in reminding your lost identity? Let the readers judge themselves about the who is genuine or not, you just carry on your propaganda, the readers are well qualified to judge everything about me, my organization and yours too. They don’t require your counseling or suggestion for that , so discuss if you can on what the debate was started. And now you are talking about muslims do you not feel ashamed for yourself, should i refresh gujrat tragedy or babri maszid demolition to you????????
This man is from Roorkee. What does he know about the attack? Probably a paid comerade keeping the flag high. His knowledge of the incident is what has been fed to him.
Ya Mr. Moonee how can i know about attacks when it was planned secretly by your bhagwa brigade one night before the attack? Who were present in that planning should I tell? wasnt they not your top brass leaders both in power and outside???
@ Rajinder
This is the 72nd post here where you have crowed the same thing again and again. Now when you are faced with the truth then you say you don't know how to debate. Read your posts from the top and then find out what your idea of debate is.. it's abuse! And then you name it progressive debate!! So this is what your idea of progressive debate is. You HAVE NOT said anything concrete in any of your posts except putting in Bhagwa brigade line in every message. What you been trying to do is to start a pissing contest here and when the ABVP guy did not bit the bate.. you went alone…. Basically you have attacked everyone on your whim and when you have nothing to say then you have started attacking on names. I think your tone would have been different had I have written with the name of Stalin. For the last time read what I wrote about my affiliation but I think the level of English is different in Roorkee which you would never understand. First you fake yourself as a HPU student here and then you speak of progressive debate. You speak of readers being the judge but you yourself have been acting like a judge, jury and the hangman. First go and learn some manners how to behave on a public message board. Or ask some sane people around you in Roorkee. Try and find the meaning of politeness and humbleness. Lastly, don't be a cry baby. If you are so much hurt by me mentioning the Muslims in my post, I can forward some links from Kerala church and the CPI-M. Before this, try and respect other people's opinion too.
I look forward to another post full of abuse starting and ending with Bhagwa brigade
Read again these lines ""Basically you have attacked everyone on your whim and when you have nothing to say then you have started attacking on names. I think your tone would have been different had I have written with the name of Stalin. For the last time read what I wrote about my affiliation but I think the level of English is different in Roorkee which you would never understand. First you fake yourself as a HPU student here and then you speak of progressive debate.""""
These words are height of you nuisance and frustration. What you want to pove ?? I dont Know nor do I am interested?? It appears that You have declared HPU as your and your bhagwa brigade property thats why you think that every other man is non HPU. But we dont have to take certificate from you, we are not the cheaters, back door enteries like you people, we have entered HPU on merit and will continue to do so.. ? We are not like your peoples who were caught red handed while cheating during journalism entrance test … what a shame for such a largest student orgainzation that you claim to be….
You talked about Stalin , dont compare any one with him, he was such agreat man, that neither you or me can stand in front of his image. Now when you have started talking about historical leaders, shouldnt i rewmind you with savarkar who was proved to be a fraud when he begged pardon from british government??? should you want to know then dont hesitate to call??now it is not a matter of yours or mine identity, its the matter of true debate ?? Have you people replied to a single question posed by me, No not at all, as you people only knows to spread rumours???? So do read my post from beginning and do reply if you have any ??? other wise call MR. ADVANi, MR.Atal Bihari Vajpayee or some such personality whom you think can reply??? I am waiting????
See my point here.. you couldn't keep the Bhagwa word out of your post. I never knew the Red followers were so obsessed with these Bhagwadharis. As usual your entire post is a repeat of what you been saying all along like a parrot. I will concentrate on – "What you want to prove?"
I want to prove that you consider anyone who does not agree with you from the Bhagwa brigade. You have very shallow arguments. When someone shows a finger at you, instead of coming with points to defend you point a finger back. This is called – pissing contest. Loosely translated in hindi, what you are trying to say is –Iss hamam mein sab nange hain. So as a layman if anyone points out weakness for SFI or CPI-M you are quick to retort back with the things done by ABVP or BJP. This is not called debate. Or probably this must be the level of debate in Roorkee.
Rest of all is trash to me. Probably someone from ABVP can get back to you on this.
Dear Friend,
Thjanks for your such a good words, it is not unexpected from people like you. Don’t mind I am not angry with your wordings at all, because I know the true character of you and your peoples, What you are talking about, till date I have not attacked personally on any one first but now you have started personal allegations on me , now when you have started the personal allegation so Should I remind you of samita dixit of rajastahan who was gang raped by your so called ABVP acticivists who raped her in front of her family and then deposed away her body. What about the killing of Prof. Sabharwall by your activists. Who was Sadhvi Pragya Singh who is in jail for her alleged role in bomb blast in nanded ( maharasthra ) for killing many peoples. What about ABVP activists throwing acid on face of a girl who defied their fatwa to wear Jeans?? What about the killing of a pregnant women (who was unfortunate for being a muslim in this country) and strucking her stomach with sword and getting her unborn baby out and hanging it on sword. Is it this, legacy or organization about which you are talking. What you want to prove?? What you people will guide the student community when your leaders are convicted for rape. What education you talk about when your leaders are caught red handed in LAW department while cheating. On what right you are talking, are these personal comments for you, ya I forgot it will appear personal to you as these are on your affiliation? So if you are really interested in struggle for student cause then start a progressive debate?? It will be surely a welcome step for you and For ABVP also, break your chains of Ruddiness and join the main stream in 21 st century…. And my dear friend is weak in mathematics so I should remind him that it is total post which counts to 72 or 73 . These are joint for so many people not of my alone, better to recalculate….
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